Too rich even for MI?
Didn’t take long for the prediction made yesterday, with ref the Eden Gardens losing out on its marquee WC match, to come true now did it? Kolkata was waiting to happen; a couple of Sri Lankan venues, and the Wankhede in Bombay, got away by the skin of their collective teeth or this fiasco could have been much worse.
The real WTF element to this was provided by the BCCI president. In the past, I’ve lamented that Shashank Manohar has little or nothing to say for himself or for the organization he heads, leaving all the talking — and doing — to his successor in waiting N Srinivasan. Judging by Manohar’s latest attempt at articulating a position, I’ll withdraw that crib — it is far better for all of us if he just kept his mouth shut. Here’s his latest sally:
BCCI president Shashank Manohar has said that the Indian board cannot be blamed for the events that led to the shifting of the World Cup match between India and England at Eden Gardens. The responsibility for organising the World Cup, Manohar said, lay with the ICC. “According to me this (World Cup) is an ICC event,” Manohar told ESPNcricinfo. “The venues were selected by ICC. The inspection was made by ICC. The board [BCCI] was not at all involved in this.”
Well, duh! You mean the responsibility for constructing/renovating stadia, among other things, was that of the ICC? In other words, the BCCI had given up its control of the various venues to the global body, and they were the ones contracting for the work to be done?
The excuse is laughable. And what is more, it underlines how the BCCI functions. That stadia were not ready to meet deadlines has been an open secret for weeks now; sections of the media have constantly highlighted that, occasionally with telling images. And what was the BCCI response to that?
With 25 days to go for the 2011 World Cup, Ratnakar Shetty, the tournament’s director, has dismissed concerns about the preparedness of venues for the event.
There had been worries over the redevelopment of grounds in India and Sri Lanka, which had overshot their initial deadlines on November 30 and December 31, but Shetty said they were now on track.
“I think the concerns are more in the media than anything else,” Shetty said following the ICC’s inspection on Monday of the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai, one of the grounds that was running behind schedule. “As far as we are concerned, all the 13 venues which are going to stage the World Cup are coming up very well and we don’t see any reason of concern.”
Ostrich, sand. So why blame the ICC now? The BCCI stuck its head deep in the sand, refused to acknowledge the problem let alone do anything about it, and now that it got bitten in the arse, its best response is to come up with a typically self-serving statement that only makes matters worse.
Oh, and who said that about the readiness of the grounds being a media concern? Professor Ratnakar Shetty — who, among other things, is “tournament director” for the WC2011. If the ICC is organizing the tournament, why is a BCCI official the designated tournament director? Incidentally, even when Shetty was calling it a “media concern”, he knew — or as tournament director, should have known if he had bothered to read the papers streaming across his desk — what precisely the problem with the Eden was. Here’s a story in the Telegraph that elaborates.
Stand by now for the next fiasco — the wickets. No one from the BCCI has thus far bothered to examine their state of readiness; pitches are being prepared by local bodies with no central guidelines; some have been dug up and relaid, but not tested; others have been patched over. And it is all going to come to the boil when the competition begins. At which time, Manohar can of course shrug and say none of this is the BCCI’s business.
He is right, in a way — the BCCI’s “business” is just that — business. Vide the latest load of excreta to hit the IPL fan.
After the auction earlier this month, I had in two posts pointed to many vagaries in how the auction was run (Apres the Auction, and The WTF Sequel). In another related post at the same time, there was this passage:
The buzz is that franchise owners were seriously miffed over Srinivasan sitting in on the auction while it was in progress. Friends in some of the franchises pointed out, through SMS and calls, that this was just one hat too many, one conflict of interest too much to stomach.
First, they point out, he almost single-handedly rammed in the player retention clause when, besides CSK and Mumbai, all other franchises were against it. ‘If the IPL is democratically run, how come decisions are taken just because it suits one or two franchises?,’ one person closely connected with an under-rated franchise asked on phone. Further, Srinivasan set the norms for the auction, decided which player would go in which category, and when each name would come up for auction — which is just dandy since, as a team-owner, he could in advance plan the CSK strategy, then tailor the auction process to suit his team.
At the time, some friends in the comments section had questioned whether I had definite information that this part of the auction was rigged. So here you go — Mumbai Indians has now formally protested that very act (Ironic that it is MI now protesting abrupt last minute changes in rules — they weren’t shy of doing just that very thing, as for instance when the franchise rammed in the player retention clause over the objections of other franchises). Excerpt:
In a two-page letter (a copy of which is available with ESPNcricinfo), Mumbai referred specifically to the clause in the ‘Player Auction Briefing’ dated December 17, 2010, which stated that the auction of player sets would occur in random order. But on the eve of the auction (held on January 8 and 9), two hours before the final auction briefing, the franchises were sent an email containing an amendment which stated that the random order would be replaced by pre-decided ‘order of the auction list’.
The clause was in paragraph 18 of the original Player Auction Briefing, which read: “Players in the auction would be divided into ‘sets’. The initial sets would comprise marquee players. Subsequent sets would each comprise players with the same specialism (batsmen, bowlers, allrounders, wicketkeepers). The order of these subsequent sets would be determined by random draw that will take place in the auction room.”
According to Nikhil Meswani of Indiawin Sports Private Ltd (parent company of Mumbai), who signed the letter, there was a sudden and unexplained change made to the above clause the day before the auction. “The final sentence of paragraph 18 is to be deleted. The sets will be presented to the auction in the order of the auction list.” Meswani noted that this was a “fundamental change” to the auction process.
In other words, “someone”, at the very last minute, decided the order in which players would come up for auction. That same “someone” then sat in on the auction. Thus, he had inside knowledge of which player would come up on the block when, and could thus help his franchise fine-tune its strategy while the others stumbled around in the resulting haze.
Now what? Err… nothing. The BCCI — or more accurately, its president in waiting — models his modus operandi on the Sphinx. Or PV Narasimha Rao, if you prefer a relatively recent example. You can question, you can shout yourself hoarse — but the body, and the man now running it de facto, will gaze back, impassive, knowing that after a while the heat and dust will die down, and everyone will accept the fait accompli.
Does MI seriously think something is going to come of the letter it has sent to the BCCI, assiduously forwarding copies to anyone with a publishing platform? MI, do note: when you arbitrarily got the rules rewritten to avoid the situation of Sachin Tendulkar going into the auction pool, the other franchises had written similar letters of protest.
Nothing came of those. Nothing will come of yours.
PS: Since MI has discovered the concept of “fair play” in a moment of stunning epiphany, will the franchise answer a question? The salary cap fixed is $9 million dollars. The idea is to prevent one franchise from using its money power to tilt the playing field unfairly. MI, along with all other franchises, signed on to that. So here’s the question: Are you paying Sachin Tendulkar the on-record sum of $1.8 million to retain his services? Really? After an auction process where far lesser players went for much larger sums? Will MI — since the auction, and wages being paid to players is supposed to be a matter of public record — reveal how much they are actually paying Sachin? And is it true that sum is close to half the total cap?
PPS: If you are looking for laughs, try this early reaction to the Eden Gardens fiasco:
India, the powerhouse of modern cricket, became the game’s laughing stock yesterday. Only 21 days before the start of the Cricket World Cup, the match between India and England in Kolkata was called off because the Eden Gardens stadium is unfit.
Tournament directors were last night searching desperately for an alternative venue for the match on 27 February. But though a ground will surely be found, the clear lack of readiness was a severe embarrassment for the organisers and, with only three weeks to go before the start, casts doubt on the country’s ability to stage a major sporting event for the 21st century.
More than 100,000 people had been expected to attend the game, which hardly needed any promotion – the new power in the game against the old and, at its most basic, the once ruled against the once ruler at the seat of its old power. It was a hugely anticipated match and its cancellation may yet have repercussions for the whole competition.
Four other scheduled venues – three in Sri Lanka and the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai where the final is scheduled for 2 April – are still not ready. The International Cricket Council has given them another 14 days to be complete and, although the work left is said to be no more than a lick of paint, nothing is now certain after the fiasco at the Gardens.
“Searching desperately” for a venue, Mr Brenkley? In India? Really?
And what’s with that glorious riff about the empire, and the clash of the old and the new in para three, culminating in the ominous warning that the “cancellation” could have repercussions on the whole competition? Isn’t it time England, as represented by its often infantile media, got over the Raj hangover? No one cancelled the game, you silly little schoolgirl — all that has happened is there will be a change in venue. Sheesh!
You know last night when I heard this news I was wondering when your piece would come up. Glad it came in the morning itself. Now I can go back to work.
But seriously don’t you think this whole world cup is going exactly the CWG way. Are we really that bad in organizing any event?
“We” have sufficient organizing ability to hold this event and more. Trouble is, “we” — as in, that part of India that has skills, can work hard, etc — are not part of the BCCI and its state associations.
This is supposed to be resurgent India,India which has arrived,looks like more things change-more they remain the same,Are we really that bad in organizing events ?Is it the Chalta Hai attitude?Manohar’s statement reeks of abdicating responsibility.
I did read somewhere that ICC is insisting on a sporting wicket for the WC,if thats the case-we may be in for a good WC
Sachin is getting half the total cap? That is 4.5 million? Cool. Any “insights” on how much Dhoni is getting?
“Close to”, I think I said.
Or at least, hinted. About MS, no hard idea, but word I am getting is, he too was retained for sums far in excess of what is on record.
With IT sleuths now after actress will cricketers follow suit?
If the reported figure is 1.8 M and paid figure is 4.5 M won’t it result in tax evasion. Or are the recent ad deals signed by the likes of MS, SRT etc part of the package which make up for 4.5?
IT doesn’t touch GOD!!
IT does not audit Sachin; he audits them!
Wait …
that is Rajnikanth!
While on God. On Jan 13, Gary Kirsten sent a mail to the BCCI, saying Sachin had told him he wanted to play 3 ODIs and then head home. The same day, N Srinivasan’s aide de camp replied to Gary saying permission granted. The “Hamstring niggle” was then trotted out as the official reason.
In principle, that is fine — players need rest, you need to rotate. But we are heading into the WC. One thing we found is abysmal calling and running between wickets — and that is a function of how regularly you play with one another.
Forget the personalities, just think positions. You need your numbers one and two to both maximize the early PP overs, and to rotate rapidly — as VS and GG do, thanks to having played together so long.
If you then have a player who will decide when he wants to play, and decide to skip games that are the last ones before the WC, then walk into the side and insist on the opening position, how do you prepare teams for the contest?
Again, that cannot be queried, because, well, you know…
I don’t think there’s any reason for IT sleuths to get involved in this. The teams that have retained players can officially report the actual amount being paid to them so they have their books in order. The IPL can’t do anything about it because it didn’t set a limit on the salary a retained player can get.
Not true, actually. The deal was a sliding scale of payment for each retained player. Per that, the number one player — SRT, MS — were supposed to get $1.8 million tops; the second player — Raina, Bajji — were supposed to get $1.3 million, and so on with fixed numbers for player number 3 and 4 as well, with four defined as the max number of players you can retain.
That said, IT involvement only comes in if the players don’t report their actual income. The real catch here is that by paying amounts not stated openly, the two franchises have nicely circumvented the $9 million cap.
No, what MI is paying him is apart from that. Please note, I said “close to half”, not half, so don’t hard code that figure. As for IT, that is not the real issue — as long as you declare an income and pay tax on it you are safe. If you are paying tax, even if you hide away a chunk of income, if the tax amount paid is big IT leaves you alone. The real finagle here is how MI colludes with SRT — and CSK with MSD — to beat the salary cap and gain unfair advantage over the other teams.
I don’t think the rules ever stated the players who are retained would be paid 1.8 million, 1.3 million, 900,000 and 500,000. All they said was teams would lose that much money from their auction purse. Hence the issue of franchises retaining players by paying them way more than the amount they were losing from the auction purse.
How many innings have VS and Sachin played together for India in ODI’s at the international level- 102. How many have VS and Gambhir played at the international level- 38. Now if we start looking at domestic figures one can justify all sorts of things for all sorts of batsmen. I remember your first article after Sachin’s 200 did not mention that feat once. Instead you invoked the “Sachin 175″ series against the Aussies. You blamed him single handedly for the loss of the series why- because he wasn’t at his fluent best making scores such as 40 of 68 in chasing 250 (oh the horror!).These were his last 20 consecutive scores: 20 61 163* 46 27 138 8 DNB 14 4 32 40 175 10 69 43 96* 8 4 200*. Yet you said he needs the deeds of the past to justify his presence in the present. All this the day/dayafter he made history. Frankly these days I find your criticism bordering on desperation. As much as I enjoy your writings when it comes to Sachin, I make sure it is with a grain of kosher salt.
BTW,Prem, do you always search for reactions from only the fair-skinned? Again is it not being servile to our old masters ?
Eh, say what? I did not “search” for reactions and frankly, I don’t give a flying fuck. While I was doing that in post, a friend pinged me the link on messenger, pointing out that this is the kind of “reaction” the Eden fiasco was eliciting, so I bunged it in there as an afterthought, is all.
How do such spectacularly unskilled ones get to positions of such power and screw everything up? Or is it just that they know they can get away with it all and so do not give a damn even when the country’s name is shamed?
World cup? What world cup?
We are preparing the stadia for IPL which starts in April . We have lot of time to complete them by that time
How come no cricket observer has commented yet on the actual venues for the matches? Forget about the readiness and the like, Bangalore, Madras, Delhi, Calcutta & Bombay certainly deserve marquee matches if not quarter or semi finals.
Quarter & semi-finals in places like Motera & Mohali and stupid games like India vs IRE or Aus vs Can in Bangalore is a major injustice.
I have personally only been to Bangalore & Madras for ODIs & test matches and the atmosphere is unbeatable.
I’ll bet that Motera & Mohali will be empty or filled by ‘free’ passes to school children if India does not play.
Matches are allotted largely on the basis of who’s who in the BCCI, and how willing they are to toe the party line. Aren’t you forgetting that the KSCA control passed recently into the hands of the only group in Indian cricket that is not affiliated with the powers that be, and that the KSCA has in Kumble a chief whose tolerance level for nonsense is sub-zero? Against that, Mohali is Bindra, and so on. Eden got the high profile game only because the BCCI realizes that Dalmiya on the loose, with Modi also on the loose, could create the possibility of them coming together, which could be disastrous for Manohar and Srinivasan. So they had to placate Dalmiya, which they did by withdrawing cases, bringing him back into the fold, allowing him to make his money his way, and so on. Who said anything to do with venues or anything else in Indian cricket is actually about suitability?
Prem, if that argument holds true then how is it that the Motera which is under GCA that is headed by Narendra Modi gets to host a quarterfinal? Afterall, isn’t Sharad Pawar a political rival of the president of the GCA? Since we’re talking about Kumble & Co. taking over KSCA, shouldn’t we also point out that the matches had been allocated well before Kumble even decided to run for election?
No no, not national politics, this is cricket politics. A different animal. Chirayu Amin is the bridge between Modi and Pawar here. As to the other, while Kumble is the manifestation, KSCA has been kind of pulling against the tide for some time now, and thus merits step brotherly treatment at the hands of the BCCI. Kumble getting elected is the final straw, and its effects will begin manifesting over time.
Even on the national politics front Pawar is falling /fallen out with Cng bigwigs. Modi can become a smooth ally via cricket relationship! The only BJP person Cng cannot fight back with! What ‘pawar play’ ahead! The Pawar of corruption! From onions to IPL!!!
What does Chirayu Amin have to do with Modi and Pawar?
No offense but it’s kind of convenient that you explain KSCA getting an India game against a minnow as the BCCI’s antagonism toward the state association. I’m sure you’ve been to the stadium so you should know how half the stands don’t even have bucket seats. Also, wasn’t there a bomb blast in that stadium less than a year ago?
Look at the matches being held at Bangalore, look at the matches being held at Motera or Mohali. It’s obvious which venue has got the better matches. Bear in mind it’s no certainty that India will make the quarters and/or semis and those two venues might just end up without ANY India matches.
And you know this because you have been to all the venues for ODIs? Oh by the way, didn’t Bangalore & Chennai have half-filled stadia for recent ODIs between India and New Zealand? Or are we going to ignore those because they don’t suit the narrative?
Are we going to use India-NZ ties in a series no one was interested in, more so against a team recently thumped by Bangladesh, as an index to audience interest in a World Cup match between say India-England?
And you know this because you have been to all the venues for ODIs? Oh by the way, didn’t Bangalore & Chennai have half-filled stadia for recent ODIs between India and New Zealand? Or are we going to ignore those because they don’t suit the narrative?
@Mahek: At least it was half filled! In the B centres, there was NOBODY.
The correct way to look at it is, “If a IND-NZ match played with essentially our C team can half fill a stadium in BLR/ MAS then imagine how much it will be filled for a ‘real’ match?”
Quite literally a difference between half-full & half-empty!
I would refer you to the 3rd ODI between India and South Africa at Ahmedabad last year. The Indian team didn’t feature Sehwag, Tendulkar, Gambhir, Zaheer, Harbhajan, Yuvraj and had won the series going into that game. The match was still sold out, so much so that it took me an hour to cover the last kilometre of drive.
Why should one man have too many positions … are others simply incompetent? Look at all the politicians they are all over the places … sports,politics,entertainment….
wow Prem – even by your frank standards, comments about purported payments to Sachin, Dhoni,theories about why Dalmiya was placated etc (just for the record – I believe you and love your honesty) might get you into some serious hot water with the powers that be……careful mate, unless you know exactly what you are biting into
What hot water? I don’t need anything from them — no passes, no favors, nothing. So what are they going to do? In Rediff, their push back was to deny me access to grounds. Now I don’t even go to the grounds, so that is the last carrot/stick they had, that no longer exists. No issues, mate — and yeah, I know what I’m biting.
Prem,
Then, is this pic a fake? Good acting by a bloody good actor?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2010/content/story/496912.html
No, why? If you had come to my gym two weeks ago you could have taken the exact same pic. Was on treadmill, began cramping up like crazy, out of the blue. Trainer put me on the mat, on the ground, and stretched my instep, calf and thigh muscles/hamstring out till the cramp passed. I doubt they went to the trouble of faking evidence — in any case, all I know, and what I *do* know, is that Gary sent the BCCI a mail dated January 13, two days before this. The exact text of which was :
Hi Mr Srinivasan
Sachin has requested he play the 1st three ODI’s and then return home. I don’t think we need to replace him.
Regards
Gary
To which, the same day, there was this official response:
Dear Gary,
Hon. Secretary BCCI has approved the request of Mr. Tendulkar and he has agreed with your suggestion.
Regards
K S Viswanathan
Special Assistant to
Hony. Secretary, BCCI
End of story, as far as I am concerned — I don’t know anything over and above that.
Prem,
I didn’t post the question doubting the information you had posted. I am too much of your fan to do that. And I know that you don’t post stuff like this without really KNOWING it to be true.
But the context of the email AND the picture made me think.
Shankar
But, then we are playing this world cup for him, right? Everyone talks of winning it for him. So, mere mortals like us should just shut up.
Yeah. I am actually wondering why I even spoke of this. The funny thing — and the thing that makes me increasingly reluctant to speak the way I used to — is that large sections of readers don’t get the point (Can you imagine this blog post on Yahoo, btw?). If say I wrote a reasoned article, saying this happened, this is the impact, this is why it is wrong, two things will happen. First, the comments field will be flooded with idiocies on the lines of I am a Madrasi communist and how dare I write about SRT or whoever it is. The second thing is, some five games later, the player — SRT, whoever — will score a 50 or 100, and everyone will go, hey, remember what you wrote, you idiot?
Either way, you can’t get the point across.
In this case, my anger over that particular episode is not to do with the player, but with the larger team thing. A Sachin, say, is gifted enough to take a long lay off and then walk back in and do his bit or more. But what no one takes into account is, a team performing at its best is a finely tuned thing. Two players who walk out to open know each other’s game, know when the other is struggling, will cover for each other, balance, take singles to keep the vulnerable person away from danger, etc. Why else do you suppose commentators harp on a settled partnership?
If you have a situation where one person walks in and out at will, that becomes impossible. And the lesser lights in the team, who probably do not have the genius of the top guy, get impacted. Little things, yeah — but think of how a small stone in your gearbox can throw everything out of whack, and you get an idea of why it is important.
but like you said, what to do — when god wills…
I am not too sure if the Auction sequence was rigged to favour CSK?Becoz CSK already had a core team and they did not buy from the initial lot if I remember correctly.
On another note if SRT and and MSD are paid what was contracted ,then I am happy,but if they agree to a “market “price which is not mentioned or violates the contracts-then it’s a sad day.SMG always tom toms that SRT is the epitome of integrity,is money above integrity?Then why is spot fixing not possible?Or normal rules do not apply to GOD!
CSK’s plan was to retain local players, without having to spend fortunes. Hence the rigging — to ensure that the players they were interested in came in only towards the very end.
As for the other, look, if someone comes to me and says he will pay me double what I am currently getting to do the same job of work, why am I going to say no? The real problem here is not that MS and SRT are making money — what the hell, more power to them. Plus, I don’t know whether they are declaring this and paying taxes — both do pay very high amounts.
For me, the problem is how one franchise subverts the process one way, another the other way, until the whole thing is a sham. The MI/CSK reasoning was simple: If say MS, SRT and even Raina went on the auction block, they could not retain them without spending humongous amounts. I mean, if a GG goes for $2.4 million, imagine what SRT or MS would have got in open auction.
MI therefore can either bid for SRT and take its chances, or give up on him. Reliance has built much of its branding around SRT, tough if it now has to lose him. So MI wants to retain him. If it bids in auction and the price hits say $3 million, that is one third of the cap spent on one player, thus inhibiting its ability to hire more quality players. So — a “notional” price of $1.8 is fixed for Sachin, he is retained; the franchise works out a private deal with him but publicly, since it is only paying $1.8 mill, it still has $7.2 mill to buy other players with.
In other words, the playing field has been unfairly tilted thanks to the underhand deals. And that is my real problem with this whole thing.
Actually, never understood the logic of a cap. Franchises (arent they all?) can all get around the cap by non-cricket deals which are still public & legal. (I guess that is part of the SRT/MSD spurt in ad revenue. What with villas, new contracts and the like)
Even if the franchise does not have money it can enable an ad deal to cover the difference.
What I never understood is why BCCI/IPL should get a cut if the franchise wants to do a private bid. (Have to confess, never understood it and hence could have a valid reason).
A clean deal where all transactions are open, public and market determined would have fixed most deals. BCCI could have even taken a 10-15% take as agency fees cleanly.
The original thinking behind the cap was to prevent a cash rich team from buying up all the top players, and thus starving the other teams and skewing the league. The problem was that as you point out, it does not take into consideration the many ways in which a rich team can make it worth while for a player to take an on-paper lower salary, but still be richly compensated.
The real irony is, you know what? The same BCCI that permits, even encourages, such deals is also making a noise about the uncapped players being offered money over and above what is on paper. Talk of double standards — if SRT does it or MS does, that is fine; if Manish Pandey does it, there is a disciplinary hearing — even though even on paper SRT is getting $1.8 million while Pandey gets a mere 20 lakh.
Prem,You are talking about the process from the franchisee and the underhand dealings involved.To me it also means that SRT and MSD may be involved for their own pecuniary benefits !
I have walked away from deals even when it has meant monetary benefit if it has not been above board or flouts the contract norms.Today SRT/MSD have reached a stage where they can stand upto and say no,you have mentioned that Kumble’s tolerance for nonsense is sub zero-what MI and CSK resort to-is that not nonsense?Whys should these icons not be happy what they were offered as part of their retention figures?What is the guarantee that SRT could have been picked up for astronomical figures?he may have been picked up but maybe much below a MSD or a GG ,knowing his contributions in IPL.A SRT should be happy playing cricket
While the player retention clause in itself might be unfair, I think that it is well known and well understood that most teams are going to pay their retained players a lot more. Also, the BCCI clause only says that the franchisee’s have to pay atleast the 1.8 million. The figure could go upto any number. I really cant understand what the fuss is all about.
*sigh* The figure can go up to any number AS LONG AS a franchise spends only 9 million on all its players. Do the math.
I dont get what you are on about. As the rules were framed, the franchises were going to be deducted 1.8 million, 1.3 million and so on for every player retained. So if a franchise retained four players, then they were going to have only 4.5 to spend at the auction. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t allowed to pay much more than that sum of 1.8 million to the first player retained and so on. If Sachin is being paid 4.5 million I really cant understand what the fuss is all about. The rule as it was framed was unfair but once it was framed I dont think anybody can complain.
Yes you are allowed to pay Sachin much more than $1.8 million that was deducted for you. BUT your total spending on your team should not be more than 9 million.
Total spending AS FAR AS IPL IS CONCERNED. And as far as IPL is concerned if you retain four players, you will be DEEMED to have spent 4.5 million irrespective of what you actually pay. What is the part that you still dont get?
Prem:
what I am unable to understand is why MI went to town with it now? They seemed to have played ball during the auction. What made things change so dramatically? Did CSK steal one of their prime prospect uncapped players under their nose?
Prem, while we are at it, let us recognize the fundamental market forces behind this skewed amounts as well. The thing is: Cricket has started spinning A HELL LOT OF MONEY. Eventhough it is a sport limited to five or six nations mainly, on the strict money terms, it is very much comparable to the large sporting events. IPL is comparable to the decades-old leagues in the cash-rich Europe and USA. I think people underestimate the money-potential of our superstars just because they are in India, and playing mostly an “Indian” game. Amoung the sporting contempoaries, may be SRT is even more a money-spinner than Tiger woods or Federer. They dont have as much ardent fans as Sachin has. When you convert that fanbase into advertising potential, that amout is truly huge.
When you look at things from that angle, what strikes you is the difference in the money the players earn in Cricket. Many people talk about the “filthy rich” money that players get in the IPL, but I think that it is actually “filthy poor”. In the Indian context, the marketing value of a few players like SRT, Dhoni etc are way much more than the salary caps put forward. If some xyz from Australia get close to a million dollars in “Indian” premier league, what could be the value of Sachin or Dhoni? I think the real issue is: to make the league level-playing, a few artificial rules were introduced. Which created another set of problems and artificial rules were introduced to circumvent those issues and, in your words, rinse repeat…
While we can blame BCCI for this set of issues, let us also not forget that they are also new to this kind of money. It takes a few years for a big-time stuff like this to get mature. I hope that these are more or less toothing troubles. What I really like to see is: 3 years down the line, no auctions and no artificial rules.
Prem, Quick question re the MI pay SRT more than the 1.8MM, CSK pay Dhoni more than the 1.8MM, etc. thing.
Would you know whether the salary cap is for salary with respect to only work done on the field (i.e. actually playing and training, etc.)? In other words, could MI or CSK be paying SRT or MSD additional sums of money to support endorsements / promotional events, etc.? If that is the case, then the salary cap is a laughable irrelevancy, because (even if it is because of his batting) MI actually care for SRT from a branding and franchise value standpoint, not because they love his straight drive.
On the other hand, if franchises are NOT permitted to make additional payments to players (legally, that is), then irrespective of whether SRT or MSD report their full income, MI or CSK will have issues to deal with from a tax standpoint, because they cannot claim these payments to star players are expenses in calculating their taxes. Which makes sense only if we think that Mr. Ambani or Mr. Srinivasan don’t care about a few crores of illicit expenses – am not sure if that is the case.
Any idea re the fine print on what players are getting paid for in terms of the salary cap?
How many innings have VS and Sachin played together for India in ODI’s at the international level- 102. How many have VS and Gambhir played at the international level- 38. Now if we start looking at domestic figures one can justify all sorts of things for all sorts of batsmen. I remember your first article after Sachin’s 200 did not mention that feat once. Instead you invoked the “Sachin 175″ series against the Aussies. You blamed him single handedly for the loss of the series why- because he wasn’t at his fluent best making scores such as 40 of 68 in chasing 250 (oh the horror!).These were his last 20 consecutive scores: 20 61 163* 46 27 138 8 DNB 14 4 32 40 175 10 69 43 96* 8 4 200*. Yet you said he needs the deeds of the past to justify his presence in the present. All this the day/dayafter he made history. Frankly these days I find your criticism bordering on desperation. As much as I enjoy your writings when it comes to Sachin, I make sure it is with a grain of kosher salt.
The rules for retention were biased. They did favour MI & SK. But they were very clear that the 1.8 million, etc. were just the amount that was deducted from the team budget. The teams could come to any private arrangement with the players. So certainly, Sachin and Dhoni are being paid much much more. It is unfair. But not against the rules (the way they are now).
Now Mallya is cribbing about the auction order.
Why do I get the feeling that it is a falling out among thieves rather than franchises complaining against the brand owner?
yes looks like falling out of thieves ,in the earlier order of LKM,they used to all enjoy the spoils,now it’s different and everyone smells a chance to control things
Some guys are talking about taxes and all. I dont think there is any tax implications here. MI can give sachin 4.5 million or whatever and show it on its records and Sachin can do the same and give his tax. It doesnt go against the rule of the IPL that says for the first retained player, IPL will count the money as 1.8 million. IPL is not the tax authority in India, is it? And it doesnt go against the IPL rule as well. Let us not assume that these guys are that stupid when it comes to money.
Also, let us not completely limit ourselves to SRT and Dhoni and crucify MI and CSK. Other teams too have retained players, and I am sure they would also have paid more than the 1.8 million to them. May be MI and CSK pushed for the rule, but let us not forget that other franchizes have also found it useful and have used it. Why no one is speculating about how much Warne would have got, or Sehwag? If someone came up with a rule, and if you used it to your benefit, you can’t crib. Probably Pune and Kochi can crib. But can they? I could have bought Google share in 2000 for 10 dollars. I can’t now sit and crib and I have to pay 100 dollars for the same.
As far as other franchizees who didnt retain anybody, two things: One, their players did not fire as expected, which is bad luck, but no injustice. If Ganguly had a successful stint in IPL, do you guys think KKR would have let him get into the auction pool? Two, they did not have players in their teams to be retained. It is true MI and CSK retained four players- but that is because they had four big players they felt are worth retaining. Whose fault is that others did not feel like that? Whose fault is that Yousuf pathan was not retained by RR? GG not retained by DDD?
So, in the end, it may feel like some grave injustice has been committed to someone standing outside and watching it, like Prem and Me. But, as far as the first and direct stakeholders are concerned: you can’t completely say so.
If it is showed on records by both MI and SRT there are no tax implications. But if MI shows it on record doesn’t it mean that MI has broken the Salary Cap and it is for all to see? In that case won’t other franchise object to that? And in case MI can’t show it on their records how can SRT show the salary on his records.
No MI owners are not stupid and they have the best bunch of CA’s and tax advisors who can make it entirely legitimate without openly breaking any of the tax or IPL rules
Thats not it. MI can show 4.5 million to SRT (to tax guys), but as far as IPL is concerned, it is still 1.8 million. Others dont have any say. This problem of interpretation arises when you assume MI/CSK wanted it this way and hence it is their problem. No, its not. Other franchizes too have retained people. They also can put the actual amount on the record(for tax), but for IPL it is still 1.8. It is no rocket science, but your thoughts get muddled up when you look at it from the perspective that MI/CSK are doing something out of the rules of IPL. They are not.
What Prem was talking was that the rule itself is nonsense. I dont think he implied that MI/CSK went against the rule. I would extend say that except Deccan, Punjab and KKR, everybody else have retained at least one player and hence benefited from this rule and hence nothing to complain. I think everybody ignores this part and focuses solely on MI/CSK. Reason why these three franchizes did not retain anybody? The answer lies in the fact that Kohli was retained by RCB, while Yuvi was released by Punjab; Pollard was retained by MI, but Symonds was released by Deccan; lets not even start talking about KKR.
Granted some other franchises have also retained some players. But the franchises with more money have pushed for this rule (and have retained maximum) which is against the parity system that the IPL was going to establish for an even playing field. Please read the other posts referenced by Prem on how these franchises have also tried to influence the uncapped player selection to ensure an advantage to themselves- be it monetary or on the field.
I am not denying that MI/CSK didnt try to take advantage of things. I am in full agreement with Prem on that. My point is just this: other franchizees also took the advantage possible to them.
One more thing: I seriously dont buy into this argument that MI/CSK are rich and others doesnt have money. Thats just crap. Do you think Mallya cannot shell out a couple of millions more? Or DDD? No way. It is just that they didnt have the players on which they were ready to shell out those millions. Thats all. It is an absurdity to assume that just because Ambani is the richest guy, he will throw away his money on anything. It is equally absurd to assume that because Mallya doesnt have as much money as Ambani, he cannot put a couple of more millions into the market to retain a player. It was the players who made the differece, not the money.
Also, it is equally an absurdity to wish for absolute justice in a money market system. Where do you find that? Can you give me one instance? Where I differ from Prem is that- I dont find anyway anybody could have framed a set of rules that would have been fair to everybody. Let me elaborate:
Option 1: No auction, all players are in free market, its just bargain and sign up players. Going by the rich-Ambani theory, all the big players would have been in his team. Will you consider that as a fair system? I do. But I know most people doesnt and not without reason.
Option 2: All the players go into the auction, but with a cap. Is that fair to the teams who have jelled and performed better in the past, like CSK? It is not. They bought a team 3 years back, built it, branded it and performed better than other teams. So, asking them to leave all that advantage and effort over 3 years and start again from the scratch so that the screw-ups like KKR and Punjab can feel good. Do you think that is fair? I do not think so.
Option 3: Allow some players to be retained while releasing others. But we have already seen enough people saying that is just politics, not fair.
Then what is fair? Let us not look at things from a Marxist standpoint. IPL is not definitely the place for that. All you need to care about is: was someone cheated? If yes, let them take it up with IPL, like MI is trying to do now. We, as the public, doesn’t need to feel the heartburn like it is the Indian national team getting cheated.
I agree that we should not look at it from a Marxist standpoint. But do look at it purely from a league’s standpoint and not some owners. Will the interest in IPL still continue if CSK keep on winning.
Now from an owners standpoint.
Think about it this way. If they had made it a fully free market driven approach then would CSK been able to hold on to Dhoni. Maybe yes, but there is a maybe no as well and thats where the retention clause comes into picture to ensure the yes.