The World Cup hangover
It is significant — in a bizarre, what-the-fuck sort of way, to note that the BCCI is contemplating [actually, to use the Times of India's patented style, make that "allegedly contemplating..."] sacking MS Dhoni not on the basis of a qualitative review of his performance as national captain, but because he had the gall to suggest that post-IPL parties on top of a hectic playing and traveling schedule had taken its toll on the players.
Significant, because it sums up all that is wrong with the BCCI. On the one hand, it has no idea of the product it is supposed to be handling — in fact, it is seemingly unaware of its responsibilities in that regard. And on the other, it has a phenomenally thin skin and at the first hint of anything remotely resembling criticism, it produces its world famous imitation of a porcupine, all bristling venom-tipped quills.
It doesn’t help that there are sufficient loose cannons among the former players to fan the flames. For starters, barring Sourav Ganguly no one had the cojones to name Yuvraj Singh as a problem child. His case is typical of Indian cricket: he drew flak for a variety of reasons ranging from his highly visible paunch and obvious lack of physical fitness, to his lackadaisical on-field performance and general lack of involvement. Promptly, his team, his captain, his franchise and assorted board honchos came up with statements “expressing support”, and denying that there was a problem. He then went out and hit a few runs, gesticulated a take-that message to the pavilion and the TV camera, and that was that — all was forgiven and, more importantly, forgotten. Till the next time.
The other, equally distinguished commentators have however come up with statements ranging from the banal to the bizarre. Gavaskar is bemused, apparently, by the lack of preparation to cope with the short pitched delivery. Well okay — how to prepare and when? Did it occur to Gavaskar, a paid member in good standing of the IPL’s governing council, that you cannot on the one hand have your players snacking on bowling rendered toothless by dead pitches and short boundaries calculated to produce a flood of “DLF Maximums” [notice how many of our 'boys' got caught inside the boundary line, in the West Indies?], schedule the tournament so it ends less than a week before the World Cup begins, and then talk of ‘preparation’?
Madan Lal wonders who forced Indian players to attend parties. Um… the answer, Madan, would be the franchises and the IPL’s ‘entertainment committee’, which was selling tickets at Rs 45,000 a pop to fans hungry to mix with players. And as a former player, former selector and former coach, you know bloody well what happens when you defy the board’s unstated diktats. Azharuddin says the game is more important than parties, which is about as insightful as his trademark “we batted badly, bowled badly and fielded badly” when the team lost under his stewardship.
While on parties, consider a statement made by IPL commissioner-elect Chirayu Amin that is more germane to the discussion:
IPL’s late night parties had turned controversial with players — stretched with nearly back-to-back games — coming out in muted protests against the entertainment overkill. Moreso because these were also considered a compulsion. ‘‘ I can say that the parties would be stopped,’’ said Amin to reporters in Vadodara on Tuesday . The IPL parties enriched IPL team-owners but took a heavy toll on players’ fitness levels owing to the hectic schedule. Indeed, the word was out over the last few days that late night bashes will be discontinued.
That statement was made on April 28 — two days before the World Cup began. It was made on the back of media and player complaints that the parties were proving counter-productive. The stories of the time include repeated references to the franchises forcing players to attend; it included more than one mention that players were unhappy, but could not protest. Madan and Azhar might want to consider that timeline, before they next wax indignant in front of the TV cameras.
Incidentally, I am not suggesting that MS was right to offer that up as an excuse; I am, however, suggesting that before you give his statement the horse laugh, you might want to recall recent history, and consider whether there is a grain of truth in what he is saying. To throw out the statement simply because it comes after a defeat is a case of baby, bathwater.
Ravi Shastri takes the biscuit, though. Having sat in the commentary box throughout a tournament wherein Yusuf Pathan managed a grand total of 42 runs off 34 balls in four tries, the best Shastri can do by way of analysis is to suggest that Dhoni should have sent Pathan in early in the deciding game against Sri Lanka [his scores till then? A confidence-inspiring run of 11 off 7, 1 off 5 and 17 off 12. If you were Indian captain, would you deliberately have pushed a player who looked totally at sea up the order? A player, what is more, who looked totally de-fanged when the opposition banged the ball in short and attacked his body? In fact, where Dhoni IMHO goofed in that final game against SL was in promoting the likes of Yusuf ahead of Rohit Sharma].
It’s a pity that the former greats who now occupy the commentary box and Parliamentary seats do not make half the sense of an Anil Kumble, by the way. Or maybe not — the system is set up to facilitate noise and filter out sense.
All of which brings me right back to the BCCI. And the question the likes of Gavaskar are not willing to ask. Here’s Sunny’s sound byte:
What is baffling is that even though most batsmen showed a distinct sense of discomfort against the short ball during the World Twenty20 in England last year, they were picked again for an event on even bouncier pitches in the Caribbean.
One presumes that the BCCI is as aware as Sunny-bhai that a year ago, India got bounced out of the second edition of the World T20 Cup. So between then and now, just what did the board do to overcome that collective shortcoming?
Did it produce quicker tracks for the domestic competition, so players could get some experience against rearing deliveries? With the exception of the Ranji final, no.
Did it sit down with the selectors to identify players who are seen as core to the team, identify their shortcomings up to and including an inability to play short pitched bowling, and then institute corrective measures [such as sending those players, with a clear report pinned to their shirt fronts, to the NCA [which, excuse me while I laugh, is currently headed by Ravi Shastri] for specialized coaching and practice? Did the board think of sending some of these players off to the Australian Cricket Academy, or to South Africa, for extended practice? Again, no.
So how does this go, per Gavaskar’s playbook? We pick one lot today, we find they are not fit to cope with fast bowling, we junk them all, we pick another lot for another year, find they are not qualified to cope with fast bowling, junk them, pick a third lot… and so on ad infinitum?
Here’s what I am driving at: For a little over 15 years, I have been following and writing on cricket. During that period, I have lost count of the number of times board officials, expert commentators, past players, and folks like you and I have cribbed about India’s inabilities against the short, rising delivery. And so have you. In all this time, though, has anything ever been done about it, by the body that is mandated to improve our cricketing lot?
No.
Take another example: the “strategic blunder” of going with spin. Where did that blunder originate? Our premier pace bowler is Zaheer Khan. Clearly, he was unfit going into the tournament — incidentally, the way his health issues have been handled has a large amount of mystery attached to it. Who else did we have, of the quality required to compete on level terms with more pace-oriented sides?
It is more instructive to look at who we do not have: Irfan Pathan, Lakshmipathy Balaji, Shantakumaran Sreesanth, Ishant Sharma, R P Singh… all these players have in recent memory bowled well enough to be touted as the next great hope. All of them have started out in the late 130k-early 140k speeds. All of them have since their halcyon days dramatically fallen away in pace and venom. And all have been dumped by selection committees who have then unearthed the ‘next’ great hope. Who in his turn has fallen away.
Are you aware that at any time in these past few years, the selectors have assessed the decline in skill of these bowlers and reported on their assessment to the Board? Has the Board at any time sought the inputs of the national coach? Based on these inputs, has the Board on at least one occasion called the player concerned, discussed his shortcomings with him, and sent him to the NCA or better yet, the MRF Pace Academy [the virtues of which the Shastris and Gavaskars routinely parroted every time the "blimp" was witnessed] for corrective action? [Ironically, a player who was working on correctives then gets penalized for doing just that -- check out the strange case of Irfan Pathan.]
India did not ‘pick’ a spin strategy thanks to having misread the Caribbean conditions; it was not a “strategic error”. India opted to pack its team with slow bowlers only because we have no choice: We have slow bowlers, and then we have bowlers who run in from the distance and bowl slow. On Twitter, Harsha Bhogle recently made this point:

Who did we leave out?
Harsha’s point is well taken. How many of you who suggest that the selectors goofed by not picking Manish Pandey, Robin Uthappa and Virat Kohli can state on the basis of precedent, and with complete confidence, that they would not similarly have been found out by high quality fast bowling targeting the body? And similarly, isn’t there a certain degree of dissonance in simultaneously suggesting that we erred by depending on spin, and also saying in the same breath that maybe Pragyan Ojha or Amit Mishra would have made the difference?
Did we leave Malcolm Marshall, Wasim Akram and Michael Holding behind, and deliberately pick spinners instead? Let’s wrap our heads around one central fact of cricketing life in India: We do not have fast bowlers. What we do have is a program calculated to reduce reasonably quick bowlers into toothless trundlers in the space of a season.
I’m not trying to suggest that there were no faults in the team as picked. Nor that Dhoni’s handling of the team was pitch perfect — there was more than one occasion when it seemed to all observers that the captain had missed an obvious bet, or three [his choices of whether to bat or bowl first at times verged on the bizarre, for instance].
What I’d like to submit, though, is this: we seem set to do with the national team what we have done or are doing with the IPL. To wit, when something doesn’t work, quickly find a scapegoat, skin him in the media and hang him in public gaze, and quickly get back to business as usual.
It might satisfy the apparent need for ‘closure’ — but it sure as hell will not, in and of itself, help us learn from our mistakes and push us to work on eradicating them.
Aide memoire: remember when India won the inaugural edition of the T20 World Cup? Remember the ticker tape parade through the streets of Bombay — with NCP leaders perched in the open vans meant for cricketers, waving to the crowds? Remember the victory ‘celebrations’ at the Wankhede, where the front row was occupied by the likes of Sharad Pawar, Praful Patel, RR Patil, Rajiv Shukla, Lalit Modi, IS Bindra, PM Rungta, Sunil Dev et al? A funny thing happened then — Yuvraj walked up on stage, saw a vacant seat in the front row, and sat down. An official promptly trotted up [in one final supreme irony, the man who told Yuvraj to get out of the seat was none other than the then chairman of selectors Dilip Vengsarkar] and hustled him off to where his mates sat — two rows behind. That vacant chair in the front row, it turned out, had been reserved for Niranjan Shah, the board secretary — Yuvraj’s place was where players belong in the BCCI’s hierarchy, somewhere out in back.
So here’s something the board needs to think about: If you are going to bask in the glory when the team goes out and wins you trophies, shouldn’t you be as proactive in accepting at least a part of the blame when it loses? More to the point, isn’t it your responsibility to do everything possible to create a team that is competitive at the international level?
PS: Before you guys tee off, do note: None of the above is to excuse either the team, or the captain. My only intent is to suggest that the conversation cannot begin and end with those two entities.
I guess the rest of the media is dancing to the Times of India’s tunes. Two obvious points that I want to bring up here is this… (a) BCCI rep and IPL’s stand-in honcho Chirayu Amin said they will stop all post-IPL parties. In which case, what’s the crib about as Dhoni’s views should only corroborate this action.
And (b) If the post-IPL parties are to blame, how come the Aussies, Mahela and the Proteas turn in some good performances? Do swinging nights actually take away the batsman’s ability to play the short ball? Old timers will tell you how a certain Sir Gary partied early into the morning and went and blasted a century the next day!
Also, why do we forget that only when we play without fear of losing that we actually win anything. India got to the finals in 2007 because they played such a brand of cricket – jumping out to fast bowlers and walking into cover drives like Gambhir and Uthappa. Of course, one must admit that in the finals, it was Pakistan that lost the game rather than India winning it – courtesy Misbah!
Finally, why do we even talk sporting bodies in our country? History shows that all stories of sporting excellence has always been achieved “in spite of” sporting associations and the government. As for the experts, suffice to say they are the optional extras in every game – a bit like the cheer leaders!
Dear Raj, In case you missed it South Africa also missed the semifinal.. Most of the aussies who played in top teams in the IPL (David Warner is an exception) are not in the Australian XI now (if you forgot Symonds, Gilchrist, Hayden etc. are retired, and Bollinger was not picked). Also the two lead SL player played for an IPL team (PR) that was knocked out well before anything mattered.
Also almost no player who made it to the semifinal of the IPL is in the semifinal of the WC T20 (I noticed answer is not zero; Malinga is the lone exception).. Interestingly, unfancied, but well rested Pakistan made it to the SF.. so to say that IPL and the hoopla had no effect is being disingenuos at best.
Prem,
I agree with this completely (hard to completely disagree with you in most cases). To the point of not leaving behind Marshall’s and Akram’s, I think Dhoni summed it up by saying that this is the best 15 we got and we have to do with this!
Conversations begin and end with consistency of our Indian Cricket Team. The fallout (since everyone is looking to peg the guilt on excuses) people nail it on IPL parties and wat not! Let’s wrap our heads around one central fact of cricketing life in India: Dhoni said on winning the IPL trophy when asked Was the 3 yrs ago T20 World Cup more significant a win or the IPL win? His answer? IPL> Therein lies the rub! Money speaks faster, quicker, speedier, stronger. Lets not kid ourselves that emotions of us masses have been trampled on again and again by this arrogant current 11 who fail to be consistent, but consistently find frequent excuses for their under performance. Not once saying BCCI shld not be accountable- but who will make them accountable?:)
I agree with you. On winning the semi’s in IPL Dhoni made a statement saying that for a franchisee who spends so much money on you this is the least you. He also said the semi’s spot should have been sealed a long time back. [similar words, not his exact quote]
Well, at least you can’t accuse him of hypocrisy or being confused. He is clear about his paymaster and will perform for them. The rest is preparation for season 4.
The only thing I would say is that Kumble’s statement has some merit. It makes a weird sort of sense here but the IPL had these franchise owners who were really pushing their players, and at the back of these players minds was probably the next IPL auction and how to get the best price out of it. Then consider the likes of Yusuf, Karthik, and Jadeja who despite repeated failures are still picked. Or Gambhir, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Harbhajan, and maybe even Raina, who may feel that they will not be dropped.
Consider that Rohit Sharma played better as a batsman (although one innings hardly proves anything) when he is the man who is under fire, whose spot in the Indian team has been under far more scrutiny since the last WT20 than people who performed equally poorly or worse. While his outburst in the WI game was foolish, it showed just how much he prized his wicket.
It does sort of make sense that they did end up in some kind of comfort zone, where they had sort of accepted that they were going to lose, and didn’t mind too much about it.
like government employees!
Well written article and very valid points. Indian media loves to overhype victories and losses. Flip to any news channel on TV and you have the so called ‘experts’ lambasting the Indian team.One channel went to such an extent to even suggest that Yuvraj is growing a goatee to hide his double chin. Thats ridiculous. He is definitely unfit, if he’s picked to play in an obviously unfit state, you need to blame the people who picked him as well.All said and done, its high time the management and administration really do something in bringing drastic changes in the way Indian cricket is to be played. Till then, let us watch some quality cricket played by Australia and England and hope and pray that our team bounces back from this debacle.
Prem,
The issue with the way BCCI handle things, or the way Shasthri’s, Gavakar’s, Srikanth’s work without any accountability has been there for long time in India cricket and will never go away. Because Sports Administration is zero in India, and we excel in Sports mainly due to individual talent.
So can we concentrate on discussing what mistakes our Demi God (Dhoni) has been consistently making over last one year, and may be they might help him in overcoming these issues.
To start with
1) He for some reason has so much confidence on Yuvi, and my thinking is that Yuvi is not getting dropped mainly due to Dhoni
2) Ravindra Jadeja – 2 T20 WC failures and he still get retained in the team for Zimbabwe
3) Reluctant to try out new player (example Vinay Kumar) which was not the case with him earlier where he was even willing to play Yusuf Pathan in finals of T20WC. So this shows that with experience his courage / fear of failure gets to him
we excel in sports ????
“We have slow bowlers, and then we have bowlers who run in from the distance and bowl slow.” Tragic.
Again a very well analysed and written piece identifying the root of the problem than the symptoms.
My only grouse – why have you quoted Azhar. He deserves no legitimacy in cricketing matters, in whatever form.
Any chance that this article gets read by the who’s who of BCCI? No way
great article!
are there any chances your favorite reviewer’s review gets read by the produce who’s movie u just watched, and hated?
Prem, as much as we blame BCCI, theres one thing to remember- India is never a systemic nation(not that it is an excuse, and not that it can never be) and individuals DO have to take care of themselves to an extend, espcially those in the high-flying zone. I ask myself: why did Sachin practice against-the-turn in chennai for many days before Warne arrived in 1998? Its not that BCCI identified him to be THE MAN. He took the responsibility on himself.
I dont see why the young turks cannot do that- especially when the whole world and they themselves know they cannot play short-pitched balls. You dont have to necessarily to go South africa to practice. Just a 18 or 20-yard pitch, a bowling machine and a tennis ball would do for a start. At least the top guys are getting enough facilities and money, right?
Exactly. And Prem says here :
“What we do have is a program calculated to reduce reasonably quick bowlers into toothless trundlers in the space of a season.”
Really. What exactly is that program pray ? When a quick bowler becomes a trundler, it is not his falut at all eh ?
There is just too much whining and pampering of the players going on. Read an article on Cricinfo(can’t get the link now) recently by Rod Marsh who says that when a cricketer sorts out his shortcomings on his own, he will never forget it. So, according to Prem, if the young guys have a problem facing short pitched bowling the board should analyse everything and send them to some academy and fix it. Players have no responsibility to fix their short comings
See above. Particularly the case of Irfan Pathan, mentioned both in my response to Jazzy, and in my original post.
Also, while I am all in favor of discussion and debate, may I suggest it is not fair to put words in my mouth? I repeatedly said I am not absolving players of their responsibility.
The funny thing is, if I bring up the board, there are enough people to say, oh what about the players, they are earning money, it is their business.
But how come it is so unfashionable to question the board — which takes 80 per cent of the players’ earnings, and does nothing at all? If the entire thing is the players’ business, then for god’s sake, pay him the entire amount he earns. If he fails, he will earn nothing. Deservedly. So let him work, and let him reap the fruits of his labor, and let the board take maybe a percentage of gate earnings and television earnings and such. Why should the board keep the lion’s share of all revenues and do zero per cent of the work?
Rod Marsh has a point. But then, Rod Marsh also comes from a system where if a player is in trouble, CA *encourages* and *facilitates* his rehab. Marsh should know — he has been head of CA. The head of NCA, incidentally, is Ravi Shastri — who is either in the commentary box, or resting. Since he took over, he has not been to the academy once. Once. Why is it not okay to question all this?
Hey Prem. I’m not trying to put words in your mouth. The impression that I got from the post was that BCCI is to blame completely for the players shortcomings and hence the comment. As long as we agree that both BCCI and the players are equally to blame for the predicament, no issues. However, my point is that players shouldn’t be expected to be spoon-fed everything from the academies and coaches.
It would be interesting to find out how many times have Shastri,SMg and co visited the various academies /boards they are associated with?
Prem, the way I look at this is: BCCI has been doing all these non-administration from times immemmorial. Even with that, these same set of players have made considerable achievements. So, what happened now? It is not as if we were beaten in a tough match or by some glorious innings/spell. Now, I have watched things only on TV/media, but I definitely felt a LACK OF WILL in the way this team has played in this World Cup. If I am wrong, then I am totally sorry. But if I am right, then it at least equals the crimes of BCCI. Of all people, you do not expect your sporting heroes to lack the desire to win (thats a unique place sports holds in our pshyche, you would surely agree). Dhoni’s words showed it, and now Kirsten’s report confirms it.
I would agree with you that BCCI’s systemic management is pathetic. Who doesnt know that? But, I do not quite agree to that theory when it comes to the highest levels of Cricket. These players have sufficient enough support and environment to thrive, both inside the system as well as individually. Going out of form, or beaten by a better performance, is part and parcel of game. But what we saw in WI was NOT that. Howmuchever we blame BCCI for its systematic ineptitude, the WI fiasco has more to do with the way team *played* than with the way the system worked.
Dont you think so?
To Jazzy and IPLwatcher, this:
Firstly, I repeatedly mentioned that the above was not to absolve players of individual responsibility. My intent was only this — to point out that we routinely hang players out to dry after a defeat, and as routinely elevate them to the skies after a win. When we win, it does not occur to us to dissect that win, to see if it hid certain shortcomings [what the hell, I have been pilloried here for criticizing certain players or tactics in the aftermath of a win].
So my suggestion is, if we are serious about results, then we need to think holistically. And that *includes* the administration.
Also — whether you are or are not aware of this — both Suresh Raina and Rohit Sharma, after being critiqued for their shortcomings last time around, on their own volition went to the NCA, and worked with Dav Whatmore on their problems. The board had nothing to do with it, nor did the selectors. So it is not as if players are not doing their bit. Some at least are. However, you go to a coaching institution, learn to play the short pitched delivery, say, and then get hauled back into the domestic circuit where success comes to those who plonk a foot down the track and swing for glory, and pretty soon all the good work is undone. A Sachin or a Dravid can still manage — but they are exceptions; you plan for the norm.
Also do note the case of Irfan Pathan, linked above. He loses his mojo, he feels underconfident, he goes to the academy — a BCCI run institution for god’s sake — to work it out. And when he is summoned for Duleep duty, he reckons he is not ready yet, he needs more work. And the outcome? He is *punished* by the BCCI.
This is hardly an isolated example — such things have been happening from the days of Srinath and Prasad. I know for a fact that when they were trying to come off injury, they went to the MRF. Lillee [I was there when it happened] told them to have a stint in Aus. They said the BCCI wouldn’t foot the bill. Lillee spoke to MRF and got their trip funded. They went. Both were *punished* for going to Australia without the board’s “approval”.
A Tendulkar, while we are on it, can afford to shrug these things off — no one in his right mind will dock him if he decides to proclaim himself unfit, and go off to seek treatment on his own. But lesser players — and they are *all* lesser players — have no such luxuries. You either do what the board tells you to, or you are *punished*. So how much initiative do you suppose remains with the players — and that is assuming the calendar allows you the luxury of working on things?
Again, let me repeat: players have their own responsibilities and I am not making excuses for them. I cannot whine and say no one is giving me journalism tips/lessons — if I want to become better, I go and do my own home work. But there is also something called institutional responsibility. And I tend to harp on it because no one else will.
I also think that not every player is a Tendulkar, Dravid, Srinath, Prasad.. or Raina and Sharma. If we look at a scale, there are some that are at the zero level of hardwork and self-motivation (I don’t know who to put in here), and then there are some at the highest levels (Tendulkar, Dravid, Kumble). But, most will lie at some intermediate level.
That is the issue here – loving the game, is different from making it your profession – you have to do all these things to be consistently on top of it and be under that pressure.
So, the BCCI has to take the initiative of closely monitoring EVERY player. and now, we have Kirsten complaining about fitness, commitment, etc. Why now? Why not earlier? Somehow, this “post-mortem” sounds like a blame game.
We (BCCI) cannot be reactive to remain sustainable. All we have been doing is do post-mortems, fire people, complain and then back to the same thing.
Also, let us say our players cannot hook/pull well. Can we not say – yes, this is a problem, and it cannot be solved immediately. But, let us create a plan so that we can effectively work with what we have! We knew that they are going to bowl short.. either leave the balls or find ways to get, say, singles, at the least!
While Raina did well,I was not too impressed the way he handled the short balls,he took his eyes off the ball,let’s not put him on a pedestal too soon.I want to see consistency,if they get out to good balls is ok,but let them be consistent with technique and temperament.
gambhir was a poor shadow of himself and it took a Bishop to point out,and RS jumped on the band wagon of pulling up Gambhir
But this also shatters the myth that sportsmen will make the best administrators. The way Shastri, Gavaskar and Srikkanth are behaving they are almost in the same league as any other professional administrator minus the financial and political backing. The value they bring to the game is zero. In fact with their huge reputations they become difficult to criticize. It is easier to hang a Modi than to throw stones at SMG.
What will work? or will anything?
nothing will. this is the shining India.
To add to the list, I read that Umesh Yadav, after being picked was not sent to WI at all. The reason being, BCCI did not complete the paper work in time.
Not that he would’d made a major difference but this incident shows the attitude that prevails.
LOL! This is freaking funny
Fantastic insights, prem i don’t regularly follow cricket but hope the board n newspaper readers have a look at this! It’s briliant!!
all said and done, this article is as close to orgasm as one can get. great article!
u might be jerking off wrong, man.
the thing that stands out to me most is from the aust v windies match when steven smith got pollard first with a beaut turner and then beat darren sammy in the air. when was the last time you saw an indian spinner do that? the one who really has the goods is busy planning his nuptials at home.
on what basis were vijay (on the back of a solitary knock against the hapless royals) and karthik selected (surely uthappa could fill the wk and reserve batsman role) apart from the tamil nadu quota? and we definitely picked the wrong pathan brother given their respective performance in IPL3. jadeja was even a worse pick given he had not played any cricket for an extended period.
so yeah…it would appear we didn’t really pick the best available side. and when i say we, i really do mean srikkanth.
and as for the likes of raina, vijay and gambhir struggling against good pace bowling, surely they face the likes of nannes and bollinger in the nets. the IPL does have nets right?!
Give me a break.. Irfan looked terrible also as did the rest of the Punjab team
compared to what? he had 14 wickets and scored 300 odd runs. did PK, yusuf or jadeja even come close?
ur talking about irfans 14wickets ,he got that when the slog overs where on,that period every bowler has a chance to get wickets,even u and myself so nothing rave about,talk about his bowling standard which has gone down a many a notches.
Prem: India has a mindset for a long time that it is not important to take wickets in ODI or T20, focus being on containment. Bhajji manifests this syndrome. This is due to our ‘strategy’ of trying to out bat every other team with our ‘great batting line up’. This has led to upper medium pace bowlers (cant call them fast when they are at high 130′s or early 140′s) cutting down on pace to bowl a containing length and spinners firing in fast yorkers rather than depend on flight and turn. Would be worth a try to allow the bowlers a year or so to go full tilt, be it pace or spin, and see what happens. This calls for a change in mind set. I am sure Sreesanth, Ishanth or RP Singh are still capable of bowling at 140′s as their body strength would have improved with the modern training from their early days in international cricket.
Totally agree. What about the BCCI’s policy to rest players after the World Cup instead of before (during the IPL)? http://myhistoryisinteresting.blogspot.com/2010/05/t20-world-cup-india-crash-out.html
I have a simple stat to point out: How many players who are in the semifinal of the IPL WC2020 also played in teams that made it to the semifinal of the IPL.. BIG ZERO .. yes .. this is true.. Now take this for the silly people (see http://www.ndtv.com/news/sports/no-one-forced-players-to-party-mehr-jessia-25245.php?u=1547) who think there is no link…
Dhoni is 100% right.. it does take a toll, and he remains one of our most candid captains along with Ganguly.. the BCCI has too many diplomatic asses like Gavaskar and Shastri
pietersen?
Past players, tv channels, BCCI, politicians have bestowed upon themselves some kind of sweatless equity in Indian cricket. But they’d share in profits, not in the losses.
I couldn’t believe Shastri said we needed “young blood”. Unless he meant it in a dracula-esque vein, have these guys aged a lot in a week’s time.
Secretly the players might be saying to themselves, just lie low for a week. We’ll then have about 95% of our careers on “good wickets”.
talking about young blood,what young players have done in the past to say that young players will play well.see the record of yuvi,kaif,irfan pathan,sreesanth,ishanthsharma,rohit sharma,harbhajan singh and many other who have come and gone.by now yuvi should have been a world class player,but see still struggling,to keep his place in test and now in onedayers and t20 also,by now even harbhajan should have been a world class spinner,but alas,he only bowls good spells with no wicket to show,and he is being touted to take kumble’s place.just by taking 30wickets in 3test which also 8 to 9yrs back he is taking his place till retirment and talking of others is less told.
This is ABSOLUTELY the best post match commentary I have seen.. Incredible Prem… you should be a consultant to the BCCI (and I am not joking – now if only they have the common sense to listen)
The selectors didn’t pick the right squad to start with. I can understand the limitation with regard to fast bowling but there was no limitation in the spin department. I’ve been ranting about how ineffective Harbhajan has been in LOIs for months but he keeps getting picked for every important series. Mishra and/or Ojha are picked when Harbhajan wants to take rest and are dumped when he’s back. The pitches in the Caribbean have helped spinners too. Notice how well Swann, Smith and Ajmal have bowled. But we didn’t use Harbhajan as a spinner and the rest are really just slow bowlers.
Prem has already said everything else has to be said. There is just one more thing though. How is it that the selectors make 40 lakh a year while the cricketers under Grade A contracts make just 60 lakh? Obviously the ones with lower contracts earn even less. So we have a situation in which these jokers are paid more than half the players who are contracted to play for India.
Hi Prem, When elected governments perform very poorly, the public often stand up and raise so much of noise and we at least force them to re-think. Agreed, this doesn’t happen often but does happen. Today, the BCCI is the richest body purely because of the millions of most passionate followers and viewers that we’re. Can’t there be an organized movement to make the folks at BCCI sit-up and listen… even if it meant starting with simple things like gheros at selector’s places, BCCI offices etc? I understand its easier said than done. But otherwise, we will continue to be in the same situation – as you have rightly mentioned :- we have been saying this short-ball challenge for over a decade but nothing has been done.. nothing will be done as well for the next decade if we don’t force the board into clean-up action.
Excellente Senor Prem. BCCI honchos and the members of the governing council and the former players have gotten good at the game of “pass the buck till no one gives a fuck”. Pass it around till the fans get tired and move on and the media of course, only chases sensational stories — so, as soon as LKM case comes up, this T20 debacle will be forgotten by all and sundry. Till India actually gets to SA for the test series and ODI, they are probably not gonna be on bouncier wickets and since 2011 WC is in India as well, no worries there too. We will all be back on the bandwagon as soon as the same team starts bullying bowlers in to submission. The next time we get caught wrong footed on a bouncy wicket, cue in the outrage, analysis and desperation and frustration at the Team, selectors, board, Yuvraj Singh and so goes on, the circle of life.
Hi Prem – you highlighted some serious issues we have in Indian cricket and all the points are extremely valid. You have raised some of these issues earlier in your posts too. Now, I have a question – do you have hope that at least some of these issues will be sorted out in near future?
Spot on Prem. There is no point in criticising the Captain for lack of ideas when the team does not perform or the batsmen for not handling short pitched bowling when they are not brought up on it. The problems were batsmen not being able to handle short pitched deliveries and bowlers not being penetrative. We can safely dump them all but then what? Dropping the captain or players is not the right way. The questions to be asked are – how do we ensure batsmen are equipped to handle short pitched bowling? How do we make our bowlers penetrative? What is the process for managing injured players, especially those coming back from injury? The solution to all these is a professional board with a vision and plan for cricket. Sadly, that is something that we are not likely to see because the board will not change itself and go help us if the government decides to step in.
Prem,
I wish to differ on 1 count regarding the team selection. You missed a point there. You and I knew that these were the same players who had problems with the short ball in the last T20 WC. We also knew that they did not do anything in between to work on these and it was evident during this IPL as well. But still you think the team selection was not the issue? Picking the same set of people with the same set of problems and expecting different results everytime is not logical, right? It is not that we left behind great folks, but atleast we could have given them a chance and figure out how they would have done. Yuvraj’s fitness and form was there for everyone to see. Nehra’s fitness was known as was Gambhir’s. Still we went ahead and selected them more out of optimism and past performance than any current indicator. This is where I differ. Elsewhere in the article you mention that you need other players to keep the current ones on toes and how is that going to happen if you select the same set of folks? I am not sure if we would have gone ahead with other set of folks, but you would not have that much stomach burn and acidity if X goes wicketless like Harbhajan or if Rayudu had scored 60 runs in 4 matches like Pathan. It is the amount of opportunities these folks get and still do not play like experienced players. I am reminded of what Shane Warne said about Monty Panesar “It is not like he played 50 test matches, but it is like he played the same test 50 times”. With Zaheer, Bhajji and some of our bowlers, it is like that. If somebody thinks that we will have 12 of our overs bowled by frontline bowlers and 8 by part timers [and that is 40% of the overs!!] and still think we can win, then there is something seriously wrong! You need specialists and the way we selected our team is by no means keeping that in mind. It is just not bounce which did the trick for other teams against India, it is just that we did not have good bowlers who could restrict the other teams to a manageable score for batters to ignore a short ball every over. It is the attitude as well. MSD has to be sacked not for his lack of tactical acumen or anything, but for the way he approached the last game : a defeatist attitude when it was clear that there was a possibility. You cannot have a captain who wants to give up and head back home in the midst of a WC. If he can think that it is his obligation to ensure CSK reaches SF in IPL-3, is it unjust to expect him to display the same when he is leading India?
Has anyone asked one Gautam Gambhir who he thinks look ordinary now? I had said then and say it again after he made that famous comment, Gambhir has seen the best of his playing career. God bless him with his ordinariness now.
May be we should start a facebook campaign (Just like Betty White) so that BCCI would read this article and makes some sincere improvements with the players skills. At least we should be ready for next world cup.
Now Gary Kirsten is trying to save his job by pointing fingers at the fitness of 8 of the players. Guess he is headed the Greg Chappel way (out) if he takes on the players. Already Sachin, instead of being truthful and contributing by identifying the root cause as the senior statesman in the team, has instead tried to paper over the loss by his clarion call for support of this pathetic team. We dont mind India losing, as long as they have given 100% on the field, which was not the case this T 20 WC
it was evitable from last two twenty20 WC’s that more you surprise other team with selections batting orders etc etc more chances are there for success.its like that warne’s rajasthan team on first IPL. you dont have to have pretty damn team for 20/20. even lesser names with out any intl baggage, attitude are good enough. like england openers who comes in swings bat to everything and even if they play 3-4 overs opposition is already on defensive.on such short tourney opposition dont have time to spend hours analising your videos.
i guess we dont have sobers or bradman at home as Harsha said but its not bad idea to throw 2-3 completely new names and see what they can do. arguably when whole world knows short comings of current lot.
View of an anonymous IPL player on IPL parties, and the post party hangover, makes a pertinent conclusion though,
The IPL is intense; short bursts of highly charged games and then, nothing. There’s no period of introspection.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/IPL-parties-the-inside-story/Article1-543348.aspx
Murali Karthik
“How many of you who suggest that the selectors goofed by not picking Manish Pandey, Robin Uthappa and Virat Kohli can state on the basis of precedent, and with complete confidence, that they would not similarly have been found out by high quality fast bowling targeting the body?”
I am willing to make a case for Virat Kohli. I am not sure many would have observed this, what with sixes and fours hit off legth deliveries being the norm nowadays, Virat Kohli is the only Indian player who plays the hook and the pull with ease. Or at least is willing to attempt the shot, and pulls it off effectively when he does so. And he was the top run getter in the emerging players tournament in Australia, where most of the games if I remember correctly were played in Brisbane, which normally has good pace, bounce and carry.
“How many of you who suggest that the selectors goofed by not picking Manish Pandey, Robin Uthappa and Virat Kohli can state on the basis of precedent, and with complete confidence, that they would not similarly have been found out by high quality fast bowling targeting the body?”
I am willing to make a case for Virat Kohli. I am not sure many would have observed this, what with sixes and fours hit off legth deliveries being the norm nowadays, Virat Kohli is the only Indian player who plays the hook and the pull with ease. Or at least is willing to attempt the shot, and pulls it off effectively when he does so. And he was the top run getter in the emerging players tournament in Australia, where most of the games if I remember correctly were played in Brisbane, which normally has good pace, bounce and carry.
There are rumors that MSD will be shown the door..I think it’s too harsh ,MSD is still the best man to lead India in all formats of the game. First they should check out the chairman of selectors. His thinking & methods are outdated. One can write pages on his selection mistakes. Even a layman comes up with a better cricketing logic & selection. It’s time we utilize AK , SG to these posts.
Looks like Gary Kirsten has been talking about lack of fitness of youngsters for close to 8 months now internally, which is admirable. But I have one query. Gary Kirsten is the Coach of Indian Team. Is it not his responsibility to correct the weakness against short pitched deliveries as a coach, especially when he was an opening batsmen and should he not be held accountable for the fading out of the Indian medium pacers? These two clearly fall in the domain of a Coach. Would like to know the action he has taken in this regard.
Gary and Ericcan only help. From thereon it is upto the players to work on their games. They are not 4-5 year old kids who will get the job done holding their mom’s hand!
Did anyone watch Time Now, that paragon of responsible reporting, this morning? Boria Majumdar was appalled by the irresponsible Indian media (other than Time of course) who came up with fabricated stories on the Indian cricket team and a brawl in a pub. Why can’t the other channels try to emulate the high standards set by Times? And yeah, the most politically correct batsman of our generation has defended the Indian team. So, now I’m sure all is well with the team.
Another point I noticed in the last India-SL match was perhaps symbolic of how cluttered the minds were. What was Gambhir smoking? He hit a shot and thought it would go for a boundary (can’t blame him since similar shot on fast Indian outfields would have easily gone for four) so he just crossed for a couple – highlight being he actually used his legs to cross the crease on the non-striker’s side as gainst his bat. Did anyone pick this? To embarass further he did this again in space of few minutes (it was funny to watch the replays where Karthik was running fast and almost catching up with gambhir in same direction). To top it off – during the middle overs (10-15 overs) one moment really summed it up! Gambhir backed out (to legside) to a offspinner (I think Dilshan) and the bowler intelligently followed him. What did Gambihr do? He left the ball (the ball went between his body and stumps). Luckily Sanga behinf the stumps didn’t collect properly and they stole a bye. But what was Gambhir thinking? He cannot get a wide like that, every ball had to yield runs and he backed out and left the ball! How would that bring us runs?
Not to blame any one person (Gambhir in this case) but that to me just showed how unfocussed the team was in a very crucial match. Gambhir, of all the people is such a good player in all formats.
It was not played at Gabba. All the matches were played at Allen Border Ground which has a slow surface. No idea about bounce there, though.
Why could we not take Rayudu who plays hook and pull shots well? We would have been eager to prove himself too after such a long time.
When we eat or drink in food that does not allow them even seem to have stabbed our minds. We just enjoy the food and feel full or empty (still hungry). The second problem is that, enjoy the food you usually eat and eat quickly.
Which team do you feel that will win the game? Let them play fairly, and you can see the World Cup 2010 polling in my site
Thanks guys, CU.